Many people think authority is a prerequisite for influence. They look at how their church or ministry is run and think, I’ll lead differently when I’m in charge. Until that time, however, they either passively take things as they are or actively start ministries that they can lead without interference.

There’s another way, writes Clay Scroggins in his forthcoming book, How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge. “Practice leading through influence when you’re not in charge,” he says. “It’s the key to leading well when you are in charge.”

In this episode of the Influence Podcast, Clay Scroggins shows Christian leaders how to exercise influence at any level of an organization.

Clay Scroggins is lead pastor of North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, Georgia. His book, How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge: Leveraging Influence When You Lack Authority, will be published on Aug. 22, 2017, by Zondervan.